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  1. The New York Times CompanyDAISUKE WAKABAYASHI3/19/184 min
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    • erica6 years ago

      Whoa, how did this happen with an "Uber safety driver" in the car? It's wild that the car didn't even slow down...At first, I wondered if this would be good for competitors like the startup Zoox, where my brother works. But I'm sure this is a blow to the entire autonomous vehicles industry.

      I'm concerned that states are willing to make more lenient laws for tech companies that want to test their autonomous vehicles just to "lure" those companies into their states. It sounds like state governments are prioritizing attracting business over human safety.

      • jeff
        Scout
        6 years ago

        But I'm sure this is a blow to the entire autonomous vehicles industry.

        I'm going to go with this one. The circumstances of this crash are completely unforgivable. Collision detection and avoidance is a solved problem and not even in the same realm as the other more difficult challenges that self-driving cars face. These companies should be punished not only for the deaths caused by their vehicles but also for the fraud they are perpetrating on the public in how they communicate the capabilities of their systems.

        • jamie6 years ago

          I do not believe these companies are putting unsafe vehicles on the road..... Do you arrest and punish the tire companies when a vehicle has a blow-out? We are living in a fast and dangerous time and sometimes things just go wrong. Safe, driverless vehicles are the future and it will be great. Imagine taking your car to work then sending that car t home to let your spouse use it. BTW the woman who was hit might have been at fault. I do not know that to be a fact and would not to presume it to be, but why do we presume it was the vehicles fault......

          • jeff
            Scout
            6 years ago

            Do you arrest and punish the tire companies when a vehicle has a blow-out?

            If the tire was defective and the company operated in negligent way then yes, of course.

            Police released the dash cam video of the crash: https://www.wired.com/story/uber-self-driving-crash-video-arizona/

            Many self-driving cars, including this one, use lidar to map the surroundings of the vehicle. Lidar uses infrared lasers to map objects so the fact that it was dark out has no bearing on the "visibility" of the victim. As far as the software running on the car is concerned it might as well have been broad daylight.

            The arrangement that these self-driving car companies have with the law is completely unacceptable. We would never allow airline manufacturers to test out new navigation controls on in-service passenger jets and just shrug it off every time one falls out of the sky.

            If accidents like these are even possible then how on earth are we going to deal with issues where a crash is unavoidable and some software running on a self-driving car has to make a decision about which person or car to steer into in the final moments before impact. It is my opinion that these ethical dilemmas fundamentally cannot be solved or even modeled properly by software.

    • jamie6 years ago

      Interesting..... there will be fatalities with driverless cars, but it seems like taking the human element out of the driving is a good thing. Humans, young adults,distracted drivers,drunk drivers,tired drivers, are all likely to make driving mistakes for certain reasons..... I would like to know the true facts of driver vs. nondriver mishaps. When the stats become more comprehensive we will know how safe it is. We are in the infancy of this technology, but personally I believe it will save many lives. JL

      • jeff
        Scout
        6 years ago

        Humans, young adults,distracted drivers,drunk drivers,tired drivers, are all likely to make driving mistakes for certain reasons.....

        And they would all be arrested and punished accordingly. The only action that was taken in this case is that Uber voluntarily halted testing of their self-driving vehicles.

        I hope the victim's family finds a good attorney and sues Uber for everything they've got. I hope the cost of paying for these accidents rightfully hamstrings the entire self-driving industry.

        I've got almost a decade's worth of experience as a software developer, including some limited experience in areas related to self-driving tech such as image recognition and object detection, and I would never trust my life to one of these machines either as a passenger or fellow motorist.