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  1. The New York Times CompanyCLAIRE CAIN MILLER10/9/179 min
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    • bill
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      6 years ago

      Very fresh perspective!

      In capitalist, industrial societies, people are expected to spend a major portion of their life "at work," logging long hours on countless projects for countless organizations where, for the most part, they behave only partially human. Things like eating, pooping, talking too often (or not often enough) about pop culture or sports become moments of anxiety and fear. Gender norms are enforced. For example, dress codes are a thing. Your work self has to be different from your home and personal selves. Don't cry, don't sing, don't get too drunk at karaoke and make out with someone. Remember the Golden Rule: Whole selves don't belong in the office.

      I wish more women were in this conversation (if you're reading this - please join!) to help me/us understand if it's a wise objective to completely remove love (and sex) from workplaces?

      Not that it's funny, but I had a little laugh when I read about the guy who said, “I’m very cautious about it because my livelihood is on the line." I wonder if he feels that way because (1) he can't control himself - like, he'll just have to grope her or be really awkward or something, or (2) he suspects that a conniving woman might concoct an entire story about how she was assaulted as a way to hurt him and/or help her. Seems highly unlikely since it would be career suicide for her, (3) his hand could accidentally breeze across her rear and just like that his whole career would come crashing down.

      Men can step up their game and start conducting themselves in a more overall respectful manner, since that would obviously be the best thing for everyone. I haven't read about Weinstein, but my gut says he knew he was abusing and hurting women. Same with Trump. In my experiences working with older men, their beliefs are a result of early professional training in more chauvinistic environments.

      More female leadership will be good for the world. In the meantime, let's all stop bitching about the bad behavior of members of the opposite sex. Isn't that the takeaway of this piece?

      • jeff6 years ago

        The only takeaway for me is that the natural sexual tension between men and women has to be managed just like everything else. There were a few practical examples in the article about how to normalize heterosexual "sponsor-sponsoree" relationships that seemed to make sense.

        I have no idea what you're on about in your first paragraph. Professionalism is awesome. If you think you can be your whole self with more than like five people in the whole world you're going to end up spreading yourself so thin that there will be nothing left of you.