Oof! This sounds awkward. Women should be able to have their own space, but they also should just clarify and enforce the norms/rules, and be accountable for those rules.** Put a sign on the door that says “no men.” F the law. F the misogynists who will sue you. If you’re not willing to take a stand for your values, your values need strengthening. The Wing is in a position to do something radical, but they need to go all the way. (Right?)
*Seriously though, a disclaimer: my opinion on this topic doesn’t and shouldn’t matter.
**The tough part of this, which The Wing seems to be shying away from, involves trans people. This is also messy at all-girls high schools and colleges. Is it that hard to be super lenient with respect to all trans people and super strict with respect to non-trans men?
F the law. F the misogynists who will sue you. If you’re not willing to take a stand for your values, your values need strengthening. The Wing is in a position to do something radical, but they need to go all the way. (Right?)
You want the Wing to jeopardize their business in order to fight to overturn civil rights legislation?
*Seriously though, a disclaimer: my opinion on this topic doesn’t and shouldn’t matter.
Your comment (and rereading what I wrote) just gave me a visceral image of cops marching up to The Wing and shutting it down. In that case, they won’t have a business anyway. So, yeah, I’m still thinking (strong opinion, but very weakly held) that they better figure out how to get and keep men out... or they’re toast.
Also, men: Stop going to The Wing. Google it before you visit, then just don’t. Jesus Christ. (Right?)
I'm still laughing over ready, set, mansplain hahah. Thank you for that lol.
I agree, how to be inclusive to trans & nonbinary people can be such a rub. I've been to some all-women's motorcycle campouts and they go through similar growing pains trying to figure out how to be inclusive to trans-women and non-binary folks. In the end, we let them in. If you feel like a woman, you belong.
It's this TERF idea that trans-women are trying to steal these women's spaces. It's madness, my trans girlfriends are lucky to avoid violence out in the "real" world, this is not "some guy" trying to invade women's spaces. face. palm.
You'd get flamed for just blankly saying "no cis-men" but I wonder if that's all that bad. Like you said, should we just take the heat and go for it? Like...sorry guys, you have literally everywhere else to go. Try politics if you want a cis-male dominated room?
I can see why it has to be legal for men to join, but it's so rude. If I were a member (and female!) I would want it to be all females. It is completely uncalled for for men to join.
I'm late to the party on this co-working space drama but fascinated by it. IDK what the right answer is, because at the surface I agree it's discriminatory but I've also been sexually harassed by male coworkers in every office I've worked in. I get why they feel this way and want a space to work without worrying about that.
The article is written ok, but the unfolding of this over the last year is what I find really compelling.
Ok, here I go. Ready, set, mansplain! *
Oof! This sounds awkward. Women should be able to have their own space, but they also should just clarify and enforce the norms/rules, and be accountable for those rules.** Put a sign on the door that says “no men.” F the law. F the misogynists who will sue you. If you’re not willing to take a stand for your values, your values need strengthening. The Wing is in a position to do something radical, but they need to go all the way. (Right?)
*Seriously though, a disclaimer: my opinion on this topic doesn’t and shouldn’t matter.
**The tough part of this, which The Wing seems to be shying away from, involves trans people. This is also messy at all-girls high schools and colleges. Is it that hard to be super lenient with respect to all trans people and super strict with respect to non-trans men?
also...they only mentioned them briefly but didn't there used to be all men's clubs in country clubs etc for...decades? what happened to those?
They still exist! I found this article super interesting: Why Private Golf Clubs Are Legally Still Able to Discriminate Against Women
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You want the Wing to jeopardize their business in order to fight to overturn civil rights legislation?
You misspelled "cop-out."
Your comment (and rereading what I wrote) just gave me a visceral image of cops marching up to The Wing and shutting it down. In that case, they won’t have a business anyway. So, yeah, I’m still thinking (strong opinion, but very weakly held) that they better figure out how to get and keep men out... or they’re toast.
Also, men: Stop going to The Wing. Google it before you visit, then just don’t. Jesus Christ. (Right?)
I'm still laughing over ready, set, mansplain hahah. Thank you for that lol.
I agree, how to be inclusive to trans & nonbinary people can be such a rub. I've been to some all-women's motorcycle campouts and they go through similar growing pains trying to figure out how to be inclusive to trans-women and non-binary folks. In the end, we let them in. If you feel like a woman, you belong.
It's this TERF idea that trans-women are trying to steal these women's spaces. It's madness, my trans girlfriends are lucky to avoid violence out in the "real" world, this is not "some guy" trying to invade women's spaces. face. palm.
You'd get flamed for just blankly saying "no cis-men" but I wonder if that's all that bad. Like you said, should we just take the heat and go for it? Like...sorry guys, you have literally everywhere else to go. Try politics if you want a cis-male dominated room?
As a cis-man, I agree fully, I have no problem at all with this.
I can see why it has to be legal for men to join, but it's so rude. If I were a member (and female!) I would want it to be all females. It is completely uncalled for for men to join.
I agree, especially based on his answers to the questions. It feels like a deliberate prodding.
I'm late to the party on this co-working space drama but fascinated by it. IDK what the right answer is, because at the surface I agree it's discriminatory but I've also been sexually harassed by male coworkers in every office I've worked in. I get why they feel this way and want a space to work without worrying about that.
The article is written ok, but the unfolding of this over the last year is what I find really compelling.